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Nude posing for art class continues despite concerns

By Isabella Bravo

Staff Writer

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Published: Thursday, April 16, 2009

Updated: Thursday, April 16, 2009

Despite recent safety concerns, the art department will continue to offer nude posing for its painting and drawing courses.

“When people find out about nude modeling on campus, they come for voyeuristic reasons rather than academic reasons,” said Tiffany O’Kane, the office assistant who hires the department’s models.

Most of the concern comes from instances on other campuses, O’Kane said, but she would not specify about the instances or which campuses have dealt with them.

“We’ve had one or two instances recently and we’re trying to mitigate that,” she said.

Alison Denyer, an art professor, said there is a correlation between increased publicity of the posing program and problems with voyeurs. Denyer stressed that the first priority of the department is the safety of the models, students and staff. O’Kane said the majority of the classes are for undraped poses.

“We have a couple of classes that are draped, though that’s the exception, not the rule,” she said.

The majority of the department’s 18 models are students, O’Kane said. The department hires models on and off campus. However, because of the economic downturn and, subsequently, tight budgets, the department is not hiring models.

O’Kane said the department gives all of its models a choice to pose draped or undraped. The average posing assignment typically runs for two three-hour class periods. Models receive $15 per hour of posing. The pay rate is the same for draped and undraped modeling.

“We’ve had a few people who are strictly draped,” O’Kane said. “We’ll take them anyway and we’ll give them those classes first. I haven’t had anyone walk away because of that, but I’m sure it’s happened in the past.”

Mark Edwards, a local business owner, began modeling for the art department at the U last year, though he has been modeling for about 25 years.

Undraped modeling does not bother Edwards.

“In a fine arts setting, generally there’s nothing immodest or pornographic,” he said. “It’s nothing you’d expect teenagers to giggle about in the locker room.”

In college, Edwards pursued a degree in fine arts, but did not have the technical skill to go further.

“I can’t draw and I can’t paint,” he said. “I got into modeling in college. Modeling is my contribution to the fine arts.”

Edwards said that posing in the art department has made him wish he was a student again.

“The staff knows exactly what they are looking for with all the models and with me especially,” he said. “When I was in college, the staff was not as professional. The students are very fortunate to have these instructors.”

i.bravo@chronicle.utah.edu

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34 comments

edo deweert
Sat Jan 9 2010 16:59
i know you can find a reference to it on my blog, but perhaps i am allowed to pose the question here:
odd nerdrum, a contemporary painter, originally from norway, but now living in new york, created a painting of e woman peeing, titled (what else?) "pissing woman"
on a free on-line porn site i have seen several video clips of the same subject.
question: is the image of a woman peeing art if it is drawn/painted by an established artist, and is it porn if it appears on a video clip on a free porn site?
edo deweert
Sun Jan 3 2010 17:20
i think the first thing to do is to define the term "artist"
and i mean, really, over the years i have been modeling, i have encountered individuals (yes, mostly men) whose stick figures, even, were artistically challenged.
my conclusion?
they came for the t and a.
oh, did you not see the period?
period!!!!!
man in the back row
Mon Dec 21 2009 19:31
According to the Merriam-Webster dictionary, pornography is "the depiction of erotic behavior...intended to cause sexual excitement". So the key here is really the artist's intention.
edo deweert
Sat Oct 17 2009 23:26
i agree, les....too many phalluses (or is it phalli?)...so, just for you , les,i added a new post entitled "for les"
there is more where that came from, so the next one i will call "more for les"
edo deweert
Fri Oct 16 2009 20:22
oh, les, that was you looking through the window, cupping your hands around your eyes so you could see better?
shame on you!
whatever happened to "free speech" les?
then there is that thing about modern tchnology....it made it possible to add your comments to my blog....i think they say more about you than about me.
and stop looking through my window.
Les
Fri Oct 16 2009 16:59
Edo, get your phallus and your stupid blog out of our faces.
edo deweert
Fri Sep 4 2009 00:28
well, what do you think?
persona;;y i think it is safe to assume les is circumcised....poor fellow
Les
Sun Aug 30 2009 19:44
What a lame blog!! Yes, you edo deweert.
edo deweert
Tue Jul 28 2009 14:23
i do not believe that fetish and museum piece are necessarily mutually exclusive
Your name
Fri Jul 24 2009 15:54
to anonymously tell someone to grow up is not very productive.
why is it that when guys talk about sex, there is always someone to tell them to grow up?
several studies on human sexuality have concluded that a sexual thought occurs to the male brain every 5 minutes.
that's biology and i my view has little to do with being grown up.
U student
Tue Jul 21 2009 22:39
art has the ability of being sensuous without being sensual, I agree with the concept suggested in the posts that perception is not always reality. In other words, one man's fetish is another man's museum piece.
Your name
Tue Jul 21 2009 21:10
grow up, please.
edo deweert
Wed Jun 17 2009 10:15
elizabeth: i am quite certain there are some people who quietly agree with my observation................i think what some find offensive is not my point of view per se, but that i verbalize and diseminate it for the entire world to see.
the vitriolic response from steve the model in the arizona daily wildcat, for instance, says more about him than about me.
a similar response can be found in www.about.com/caloriecount/nudemodeling by someone with the nick coffincritter.
edo deweert
Tue Jun 16 2009 15:41
elizabeth, thank you for your great comment, for further detailed response, check in with the blog again
elizabeth
Tue Jun 16 2009 11:25
Edo,
I've been looking at your blog and while your argument fascinates me, and your experience no doubt credits what you argue, I wonder about a few things. Of course anyone's particular bias or interest will inform how he/she interprets a situation, thus I read your interpretation with a grain of salt, allowing it to be a truth but not a given. Do you suggest ALL nude modeling as sexually connoted or do you allow there to be varying degrees of explicitness?

I also wonder why the images you reference, particularly those of egon schiele, who you claim to admire so much, do not appear in your blog. Not even a link to the images.

I think your argument is a fresh, important idea in nude modeling and modern/contemporary art. Trying too hard to make art safe for the majority by insisting 'nude' not 'naked' and 'art' not 'sex' oversimplifies and reduces expression to a vast extent. Sex, ideas of voyeurism, possession, objectivity of subject, even the term subject are all important tensions within any tradition of art, but your argument is rather egocentric. While of course your personal experience and the art surrounding it is very strong evidence indeed, perhaps broadening the scope and content of your blog to include more than passing references to other artists with no accompanying images will help to convince those less willing to consider your perspective of the actual presence of sexuality and sex within 'safe' art.

I mean this with all respect, and hope you read it as such. I only offer my suggestions as I am intrigued by your points of view and would like more to be able to consider and read without fear.

elizabeth
Tue Jun 16 2009 11:24
Edo,
I've been looking at your blog and while your argument fascinates me, and your experience no doubt credits what you argue, I wonder about a few things. Of course anyone's particular bias or interest will inform how he/she interprets a situation, thus I read your interpretation with a grain of salt, allowing it to be a truth but not a given. Do you suggest ALL nude modeling as sexually connoted or do you allow there to be varying degrees of explicitness?

I also wonder why the images you reference, particularly those of egon schiele, who you claim to admire so much, do not appear in your blog. Not even a link to the images.

I think your argument is a fresh, important idea in nude modeling and modern/contemporary art. Trying too hard to make art safe for the majority by insisting 'nude' not 'naked' and 'art' not 'sex' oversimplifies and reduces expression to a vast extent. Sex, ideas of voyeurism, possession, objectivity of subject, even the term subject are all important tensions within any tradition of art, but your argument is rather egocentric. While of course your personal experience and the art surrounding it is very strong evidence indeed, perhaps broadening the scope and content of your blog to include more than passing references to other artists with no accompanying images will help to convince those less willing to consider your perspective of the actual presence of sexuality and sex within 'safe' art.

I mean this with all respect, and hope you read it as such. I only offer my suggestions as I am intrigued by your points of view and would like more to be able to consider and read without fear.

edo deweert
Tue Jun 9 2009 18:11
lee, my man, check out google at "erections and nude modeling" and you will find that i am awfully close to the truth.
edo deweert
Sun May 31 2009 23:08
lee, obviously y have not checked out my blog; it's based on 7 years' experience posing naked for art departments in 8 universities and colleges, in 4 different cities, with over 100 instructors and several thousand art students.
my perspective is that following the inention of the camera, drawing the naked human figure is an anomaly.(i believe that the last pornographer not using a camera was that brilliant austrian artist of the early 1900s, egon schiele; check him out as well)
one does not need the naked human to learn the tricks of creating the 3d illusion on a 2d surface; just try to draw
(accurately) that old gnarled oak.
much of i would write here is already in my blog, including some interesting drawings of me done by fine arts students
Lee
Sun May 31 2009 01:31
This appears to be old, but I must wonder, safety concerns about what? I've posed (nude) for plenty of artists and under and variety of circumstances and never felt unsafe about it. It's edo's stated perspective that I find bizarre. In our seemingly sex-crazed culture it seems that a few with warped minds can find sex everywhere. I find a body is just a body and anything beyond that is an idea created inside one's own head.
Norma
Wed May 27 2009 17:21
Art begins with the basics - the basics of form, light, movement. How are artists to learn human form, lighting of skin, and movement of muscle without actually seeing it - live and up close? Fabrics drape, color and shadows move with the skin, the human form takes on new shapes and the only way to experience this is through life drawing. We are fortunate to have humans who are happy to pose and give artists the opportunity to see a human form in its basic - and beautiful - state.






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